Comments on: independent – of what? http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/ John Eden: BM Box 3641, London, WC1N 3XX, England UK Sun, 25 Dec 2011 14:50:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: dubversion http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/comment-page-1/#comment-1681 dubversion Sat, 07 Jul 2007 03:06:19 +0000 http://www.uncarved.org/blog/?p=1009#comment-1681 no, no, no - back to Prolapse. Must have seen them 12 times. To me, they were what speed sounded like - a monotonous drone with a fractious argument on top. :) A truly legendary band who jacked it all in to go back to archaelogy :( no, no, no – back to Prolapse.

Must have seen them 12 times. To me, they were what speed sounded like – a monotonous drone with a fractious argument on top. :)

A truly legendary band who jacked it all in to go back to archaelogy :(

]]> By: STN http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/comment-page-1/#comment-1685 STN Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:39:03 +0000 http://www.uncarved.org/blog/?p=1009#comment-1685 I can vaguely remember turning the tables on that bloke so that suddenly I was boring HIM about Jah Shaka. I can vaguely remember turning the tables on that bloke so that suddenly I was boring HIM about Jah Shaka.

]]> By: Martin http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/comment-page-1/#comment-1684 Martin Fri, 06 Jul 2007 10:21:02 +0000 http://www.uncarved.org/blog/?p=1009#comment-1684 Still, we met the Stoke Newington rastaman and his white spiv mate, trying to flog us 'crucial' CD-Rs outside the Butchers (the white bloke hadn't heard of Ninjaman) Still, we met the Stoke Newington rastaman and his white spiv mate, trying to flog us ‘crucial’ CD-Rs outside the Butchers (the white bloke hadn’t heard of Ninjaman)

]]> By: john http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/comment-page-1/#comment-1674 john Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:41:38 +0000 http://www.uncarved.org/blog/?p=1009#comment-1674 Only someone with a death wish would try to do that. :) Only someone with a death wish would try to do that. :)

]]> By: Martin http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/comment-page-1/#comment-1673 Martin Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:19:25 +0000 http://www.uncarved.org/blog/?p=1009#comment-1673 Or Doorstep Rhythmic Bloc even...sorry, bit hungover, was drinking with John last night (he was trying to get me drunk enough to lend him money) Or Doorstep Rhythmic Bloc even…sorry, bit hungover, was drinking with John last night (he was trying to get me drunk enough to lend him money)

]]> By: Martin http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/comment-page-1/#comment-1672 Martin Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:17:26 +0000 http://www.uncarved.org/blog/?p=1009#comment-1672 You lucky sod (Dub), I never got round to seeing them live - I heard Rhythmic Doorstep Bloc for the first time in yonks the other day (on their myspace site) and got a right lump in the larynx - how can anyone lionise Sonic Youth but ignore this classic? You lucky sod (Dub), I never got round to seeing them live – I heard Rhythmic Doorstep Bloc for the first time in yonks the other day (on their myspace site) and got a right lump in the larynx – how can anyone lionise Sonic Youth but ignore this classic?

]]> By: Greg http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/comment-page-1/#comment-1675 Greg Fri, 06 Jul 2007 06:03:27 +0000 http://www.uncarved.org/blog/?p=1009#comment-1675 ///but again, you’re implying that guitar based ‘rock’ is devoid of such qualities - you’ve substituted one sweeping statement for another…/// Well, I guess I will just have to come out of the closet and admit, I hate post 1982 rock music! That's the truth of it, sweeping statement or not! I'd rather listen to anything than guitar music post very early 80's. That doesn't mean I am limited to reggae/dub/funk though -- I listen to anything and everything else -- except rock music. I have to be honest, and say I haven't heard anything which would change my mind on that point. ///but again, you’re implying that guitar based ‘rock’ is devoid of such qualities – you’ve substituted one sweeping statement for another…///

Well, I guess I will just have to come out of the closet and admit, I hate post 1982 rock music! That’s the truth of it, sweeping statement or not! I’d rather listen to anything than guitar music post very early 80′s. That doesn’t mean I am limited to reggae/dub/funk though — I listen to anything and everything else — except rock music. I have to be honest, and say I haven’t heard anything which would change my mind on that point.

]]> By: Stinky Jim http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/comment-page-1/#comment-1676 Stinky Jim Fri, 06 Jul 2007 05:29:22 +0000 http://www.uncarved.org/blog/?p=1009#comment-1676 excellent post and top notch comments (it'll never catch on) strangely enough was having a very similar discussion in the last 24 hours, down here on the other side of the world (NZ), re the homogenisation of indie as a term, and the oversimplification of the peel 'legacy industry'. briefly, it came about after interviewing stuart moxham for the YMG re-issue on Domino and that had set me back to thinking about how open minded and gloriously un-fettered by genre considerations and other trivialities, a lot of music buyers were back then. I think you hit the nail on the head John when you say that people were actually looking for something, which is why they bought those mad records. Nowadays they aren't looking but expecting, and they generally get what they deserve, which is rarely a surprise or short, sharp shock to the sensibilities. documentary revisionism and (to a lesser extent) re-issue culture have a lot to answer for, they have commodified and classified everything to the point where the most fertile and important parts, the fringes, have been written out. we haven't had the 7 ages of rockasaurus or whatever it's called down here yet, but it sounds like they have managed to marginalise a lot more than just the interesting edges. excellent post and top notch comments (it’ll never catch on)
strangely enough was having a very similar discussion in the last 24 hours, down here on the other side of the world (NZ), re the homogenisation of indie as a term, and the oversimplification of the peel ‘legacy industry’. briefly, it came about after interviewing stuart moxham for the YMG re-issue on Domino and that had set me back to thinking about how open minded and gloriously un-fettered by genre considerations and other trivialities, a lot of music buyers were back then. I think you hit the nail on the head John when you say that people were actually looking for something, which is why they bought those mad records. Nowadays they aren’t looking but expecting, and they generally get what they deserve, which is rarely a surprise or short, sharp shock to the sensibilities.
documentary revisionism and (to a lesser extent) re-issue culture have a lot to answer for, they have commodified and classified everything to the point where the most fertile and important parts, the fringes, have been written out. we haven’t had the 7 ages of rockasaurus or whatever it’s called down here yet, but it sounds like they have managed to marginalise a lot more than just the interesting edges.

]]> By: dubversion http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/comment-page-1/#comment-1677 dubversion Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:22:57 +0000 http://www.uncarved.org/blog/?p=1009#comment-1677 was there ever a greater British band? (well, yeh, but they were fucking top :) I saw them do Big Hangs, Big Hands by Crass once :) ) was there ever a greater British band?

(well, yeh, but they were fucking top :) I saw them do Big Hangs, Big Hands by Crass once :) )

]]> By: Martin http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2007/07/independent-of-what/comment-page-1/#comment-1678 Martin Thu, 05 Jul 2007 13:32:12 +0000 http://www.uncarved.org/blog/?p=1009#comment-1678 Yeah, Eden, can we have a Prolapse post please? Yeah, Eden, can we have a Prolapse post please?

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