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	<title>Comments on: That&#8217;s Not My Name</title>
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		<title>By: Downpressor</title>
		<link>http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2008/08/thats-not-my-name/comment-page-1/#comment-2871</link>
		<dc:creator>Downpressor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth is, playing any instrument professionally, recording/mixing/producing professionally, DJing professionally, etc etc etc is a trade. Its an unwritten rule if you are successful at this trade, ESPECIALLY if you do it in front of people, that you can not discuss the mundane aspects, except under very limited circumstances, such as an &quot;I&#039;m so lonely on the road&quot; song. To do so with the press breaks character, or the fourth wall and outside of experimental theater than only hairy, unshowered people go to, that is NOT a good thing. 

Part of your trade craft is dealing with the press, TV, radio, etc. Of course as unkultur referenced, being coy with the media can be part of that strategy. Its worked for many people, but when you do talk to them, you better be good.

Going back to the unwritten rule bit, the trap here is you can never break character when you are under the spotlight and in these days of paparazzi, the internet, gossip rags/sites, etc., the spotlight is always on. Some folks handle that very well, some (myself included) do not. I&#039;m far happier to toil in obscurity than to have to pay the ante of joining that game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth is, playing any instrument professionally, recording/mixing/producing professionally, DJing professionally, etc etc etc is a trade. Its an unwritten rule if you are successful at this trade, ESPECIALLY if you do it in front of people, that you can not discuss the mundane aspects, except under very limited circumstances, such as an &#8220;I&#8217;m so lonely on the road&#8221; song. To do so with the press breaks character, or the fourth wall and outside of experimental theater than only hairy, unshowered people go to, that is NOT a good thing. </p>
<p>Part of your trade craft is dealing with the press, TV, radio, etc. Of course as unkultur referenced, being coy with the media can be part of that strategy. Its worked for many people, but when you do talk to them, you better be good.</p>
<p>Going back to the unwritten rule bit, the trap here is you can never break character when you are under the spotlight and in these days of paparazzi, the internet, gossip rags/sites, etc., the spotlight is always on. Some folks handle that very well, some (myself included) do not. I&#8217;m far happier to toil in obscurity than to have to pay the ante of joining that game.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2008/08/thats-not-my-name/comment-page-1/#comment-2868</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Downpressor - I&#039;m not very comfortable with the role of &quot;artist&quot; per se, so that all makes sense to me. Certainly a lot of electronic music production seems to have a great deal in common with a more &quot;craftsman&quot;/&quot;technician&quot; role - like plumbers or programmers maybe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downpressor &#8211; I&#8217;m not very comfortable with the role of &#8220;artist&#8221; per se, so that all makes sense to me. Certainly a lot of electronic music production seems to have a great deal in common with a more &#8220;craftsman&#8221;/&#8221;technician&#8221; role &#8211; like plumbers or programmers maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2008/08/thats-not-my-name/comment-page-1/#comment-2867</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>unkultur - thank you for those interesting responses! I think one of the pitfalls of Burial&#039;s approach was certainly operating as an individual and being readily identified as such. Whether or not this was a cynical promotional move is open to question but my impression is that he genuinely wanted to opt out of a lot of the shite that goes along with music production these days. 

But yes, you end up in a hall of mirrors whatever you do - DJ Jackal (and Karen Eliot) become overly associated with particular individuals... perhaps there is no way out but it is still worth exploring the boundaries and trying to punch the odd hole in the wall.

I really like the idea of *not* putting dj names on flyers tho (but then whatever you name the party becomes the &quot;brand&quot; like a record label...)

I think, as you imply, creating/producing anything has the potential to feed into &quot;celebrity&quot; culture but doing things in a rougly collective/anonymous fashion is the best tool we have yet to subvert that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>unkultur &#8211; thank you for those interesting responses! I think one of the pitfalls of Burial&#8217;s approach was certainly operating as an individual and being readily identified as such. Whether or not this was a cynical promotional move is open to question but my impression is that he genuinely wanted to opt out of a lot of the shite that goes along with music production these days. </p>
<p>But yes, you end up in a hall of mirrors whatever you do &#8211; DJ Jackal (and Karen Eliot) become overly associated with particular individuals&#8230; perhaps there is no way out but it is still worth exploring the boundaries and trying to punch the odd hole in the wall.</p>
<p>I really like the idea of *not* putting dj names on flyers tho (but then whatever you name the party becomes the &#8220;brand&#8221; like a record label&#8230;)</p>
<p>I think, as you imply, creating/producing anything has the potential to feed into &#8220;celebrity&#8221; culture but doing things in a rougly collective/anonymous fashion is the best tool we have yet to subvert that.</p>
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		<title>By: mms</title>
		<link>http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2008/08/thats-not-my-name/comment-page-1/#comment-2863</link>
		<dc:creator>mms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think burial just didn&#039;t really want to be known, you can be cynical about it or not, but he didn&#039;t carry on with it when smart was trying to expose him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think burial just didn&#8217;t really want to be known, you can be cynical about it or not, but he didn&#8217;t carry on with it when smart was trying to expose him.</p>
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		<title>By: mms</title>
		<link>http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2008/08/thats-not-my-name/comment-page-1/#comment-2862</link>
		<dc:creator>mms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the obv thing to do would be to make carbon copies of mr smarts myspace, lots of them, invite people to be friends, and work out who da real gordon shmart is. the people choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the obv thing to do would be to make carbon copies of mr smarts myspace, lots of them, invite people to be friends, and work out who da real gordon shmart is. the people choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Downpressor</title>
		<link>http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2008/08/thats-not-my-name/comment-page-1/#comment-2848</link>
		<dc:creator>Downpressor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was another interesting one which I only sort of understood, maybe...

So here&#039;s the thing, I don&#039;t think &quot;artist&quot; is the right word at all for 99.999% of musicians, performers, producers, DJs, etc. It sets up an implication that is impossible to satisfy, creates a false idol. Its a job, plain an simple and usually a shitty one at that. Most of us inside and around try to pretend that we are the golden calf when in fact its just a spray paint job on a plaster lump. Its a job. All that romantic notion of the tortured soul? Mostly bullshit we wrap ourselves in to play the game.

The men at the factory are old and cunning and all that. Do your job, play some tunes, make some records, but if you dont want your 15 minutes, just don&#039;t play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was another interesting one which I only sort of understood, maybe&#8230;</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the thing, I don&#8217;t think &#8220;artist&#8221; is the right word at all for 99.999% of musicians, performers, producers, DJs, etc. It sets up an implication that is impossible to satisfy, creates a false idol. Its a job, plain an simple and usually a shitty one at that. Most of us inside and around try to pretend that we are the golden calf when in fact its just a spray paint job on a plaster lump. Its a job. All that romantic notion of the tortured soul? Mostly bullshit we wrap ourselves in to play the game.</p>
<p>The men at the factory are old and cunning and all that. Do your job, play some tunes, make some records, but if you dont want your 15 minutes, just don&#8217;t play.</p>
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		<title>By: unkultur</title>
		<link>http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2008/08/thats-not-my-name/comment-page-1/#comment-2847</link>
		<dc:creator>unkultur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion it´s a bit too easy to identify the formula &quot;artist names = business principle&quot;. 
Artists on Praxis records used anonymity as a strategy but I think the situation is a bit different if you are a underground hardcore producer in the late 1990s whose music is interesting for a small amount of people - or if your products of work have potential for reaching huge audiences.
The masking of your identity only works if you already established a certain position in the specific art/ music context. E.g. if you´re a totally unknown musician and would hide your identity nobody would care about your music nor write about it (so we wouldn´t even know that this specific artist had existed).

Everybody speculates about the identity of Burial (or Banksy) which boosts the hype around the artist. This is not a critique of the bourgeois concept of the artist, but the system of the star in it´s purest form: you have a) the specific artist name with b) artworks related to this name and c) one person as a genius behind it. In the cases of Burial and Banksy anonymity is a clever marketing idea: you have the just mentioned criterias of the artist PLUS an extra which makes the product additionaly attractive: the speculation about the &quot;real person&quot; behind the name which creates a huge media attention. 

(Note: I´m talking about mechanisms of capitalist production of art here. I don´t believe in blaming certain individuals for their actions when it comes to &quot;sell out&quot;. )

The other way round: The anonymisation IS A business strategy to sell certain goods labeled as &quot;subversive&quot;. You brand your products as underground, non-mainstream by connecting certain attitudes with them. It would be different if you would not use artist names any more: why would you need them, when you can put out your stuff anonymously (which Praxis records does on some upcoming releases, by the way)? You could also produce music under the names of a collective so the music can´t be related to one individual person. Or use the above mentioned neoist collective names. Why use a label name, which is also a form of capitalist branding of products? Why putting even DJ names on party flyers (by the way: who produces the rave as a social event: the audience of the musician) ? And least: why produce art at all? Every artwork aimes to an audience and follows the specific rules of capitalist production, either to aim to accumulate economic capital or symbolic capital (according to Pierre Bourdieu), which is the currency of scenes and subcultures. I believe there are strategies of posing critique on the capitalist forms of art production but there is no way out yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion it´s a bit too easy to identify the formula &#8220;artist names = business principle&#8221;.<br />
Artists on Praxis records used anonymity as a strategy but I think the situation is a bit different if you are a underground hardcore producer in the late 1990s whose music is interesting for a small amount of people &#8211; or if your products of work have potential for reaching huge audiences.<br />
The masking of your identity only works if you already established a certain position in the specific art/ music context. E.g. if you´re a totally unknown musician and would hide your identity nobody would care about your music nor write about it (so we wouldn´t even know that this specific artist had existed).</p>
<p>Everybody speculates about the identity of Burial (or Banksy) which boosts the hype around the artist. This is not a critique of the bourgeois concept of the artist, but the system of the star in it´s purest form: you have a) the specific artist name with b) artworks related to this name and c) one person as a genius behind it. In the cases of Burial and Banksy anonymity is a clever marketing idea: you have the just mentioned criterias of the artist PLUS an extra which makes the product additionaly attractive: the speculation about the &#8220;real person&#8221; behind the name which creates a huge media attention. </p>
<p>(Note: I´m talking about mechanisms of capitalist production of art here. I don´t believe in blaming certain individuals for their actions when it comes to &#8220;sell out&#8221;. )</p>
<p>The other way round: The anonymisation IS A business strategy to sell certain goods labeled as &#8220;subversive&#8221;. You brand your products as underground, non-mainstream by connecting certain attitudes with them. It would be different if you would not use artist names any more: why would you need them, when you can put out your stuff anonymously (which Praxis records does on some upcoming releases, by the way)? You could also produce music under the names of a collective so the music can´t be related to one individual person. Or use the above mentioned neoist collective names. Why use a label name, which is also a form of capitalist branding of products? Why putting even DJ names on party flyers (by the way: who produces the rave as a social event: the audience of the musician) ? And least: why produce art at all? Every artwork aimes to an audience and follows the specific rules of capitalist production, either to aim to accumulate economic capital or symbolic capital (according to Pierre Bourdieu), which is the currency of scenes and subcultures. I believe there are strategies of posing critique on the capitalist forms of art production but there is no way out yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Here Come The Sun&#8230; &#171; Speakers Push Air</title>
		<link>http://www.uncarved.org/blog/2008/08/thats-not-my-name/comment-page-1/#comment-2839</link>
		<dc:creator>Here Come The Sun&#8230; &#171; Speakers Push Air</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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