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Sun, 25 Apr 2010 20:20:07 +0000

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By: NagHammadiEye

NagHammadiEye — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:26:47 +0000

I wrote “it’s more important than bass lines and ‘chunes’, and grime, and dubstep,and rock and roll, and Neubaten gigs and silly skinheads wanting to beat up kids in 1979.”

Eeerrrr, sorry Mr. Eden, I wasn’t taking taking a weasel worded shot at your obvious love of bass lines ( on your blog, no less ) — I love ‘em too, very much. I just feel exhausted with anger and sadness after watching that Goldstone Report link.

Love and light; keep fighting against the darkness and the devils that dwell therein.

NagHammadi.

By: NagHammadiEye

NagHammadiEye — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:33:40 +0000

On another point in connection with Paul’s good points about violence in ‘art’ and ‘music’ — it seems to me to also be a self centred, narccisstic, cathartic, therapeutic exercise,and often just seems absurd now — in art, I am thinking of people like Marina Abramovich, whose self centredness seems without bounds ( though I have to admit to being someone who once liked her early work ), and I am also thinking of people who just seem plain silly now, for their self publicising actions, such as ‘beating up’ audience members, or , as I remember one sleeve note page said about Nick Cave, that he sometimes ‘rained down blows’ on his audience’s head. And there is that embarrasing footage of Henry Rollins smashing a hapless teenager in the head repeatedly — from high above him, on the stage of course.

These people look like idiots now — to think people I knew once thought them ‘cool’. Henry Rollins just looks like a right wing GI.

Whew, rock and roll eh? Can’t beat it for a self serving circus.

By: NagHammadiEye

NagHammadiEye — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:06:00 +0000

Paul, I was at the Neubaten gig and many others in the late 70′s, where audience members risked a severe kicking, either from skinheads,or else from the more idiotic kind of ‘punk’ from the Sham 69 end of the scale, who weren’t punks in the intelligent sense of that word, but rather people looking for any chance to get out of it and enjoy some violence.

Your other points are good too, that real,merciless violence is so close these days, as in the Gaza massacre — that making a thing of ‘symbolic’ and ‘arty’ or hyped record label violence a la JAMC, is just absurd.

And on that point, I will get willfully propagandistic, and add a link to the Goldstone report, in which it is made clear by UN investigations, that the Palestinians were walled into a ghetto,starved,humiliated,stopped from escaping, and then 1,400 of their number were systematically slaughtered.

One Israeli soldier said of the slaughter “You felt like a child playing around with a magnifying glass, burning up ants,”

14 Israelis died — some of that number from friendly fire.

Watch Chapter 11 of the Goldstone Report here —

http://goldstonefacts.org/

Chapter 11 is the central one here — And I add the link here because it’s more important than bass lines and ‘chunes’, and grime, and dubstep,and rock and roll, and Neubaten gigs and silly skinheads wanting to beat up kids in 1979.

Peace and love !

By: Martin

Martin — Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:48:15 +0000

I have studiously avoided hearing anything else by Suicide in case it detracts from my enjoyment of them.

Yeah, I get a bit like that with bands/albums too! BUT, I would recommend the second Suicide album (which I put off checking out for ages). It’s a lot more polished than the first, tho seems pointless comparing them as they’re quite sonically different…quite sleazy in places…and still a few years ahead of what the English and Germans were doing with electro at the time.

By: paul harvey

paul harvey — Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:00:24 +0000

If memory serves, the Neubauten gig took place at the ICA in the mid-eighties, I guess the ICA management draw a line across the free expression of art when it involves someone chopping up the stage with a chain-saw…collapsing new art venues anyone?… It’s strange looking back at how “violent” some of the gigs were “back in the day”. Sometimes they were zones of physical violence…early eighties punk gigs, especially going to see Crass, Flux, Conflict et al, I remember multiple incidents of violence either with the far right skins or with the police (and sometimes both). Or there was the “symbolic violence” of seeing the early Psychic TV events (too young for TG sadly) and the other “industrial” artists like Neubauten, Test Dept and SPK (the early multi-media library of autopsy/executions/riot/S&M footage were the staple images of that time)..and sometimes it crossed over, I remember the singer of SPK at the Leadmill in Sheffield wielding a ten foot long chain above the audience’s heads in a symbolic display that turned a tad ugly or an early Jesus & Mary Chain gig that was mayhem…
Now we live in a world where filmed executions and ultra hardcore S&M are but a click away and where the Control mosaic has appropriated the image of violence to a degree never before imagined (the half a mile tall twin towers vanishing before our eyes in the free-fall of 17 seconds played endlessly as the image replaces the language of ideology and the rhetoric of power)….I imagine its hard these days for an artist to genuinely shock and/or be so dangerous to the State and/or culture that violence swirls around them a la Crass…anyway, good to see you are still writing after all these years!

By: NagHammadiEye

NagHammadiEye — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:33:13 +0000

I saw Neubaten , I think with the Birthday Party. All distance memories now, but I believe the gig was stopped by the concert promoters/hall management when Neubaten used a chainsaw, drills and hammers to cut up and break up the stage.

By: NagHammadiEye

NagHammadiEye — Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:58:52 +0000

Silver Apples predated Sparks and Vega and Rev as a much earlier ‘avant garde’ electro duo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyaO1a5C_Xg&feature=related

By: skinner

skinner — Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:45:19 +0000

well annoyed that i missed Neubauten with Showaddywaddy. the Neubauten gigs i did see were inspiring. didnt get to see Suicide till late 90′s (with Mouse on Mars ?) when they just seemed tired and obvious